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« Reply #30 on: February 21, 2007, 03:05:58 AM »

I don't suppose you can grade them in order of "Grade" rather than the names their mothers gave them.
Call me modern if you like but I, like everyone else outside New Zealand, find that it works better that way.

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« Reply #31 on: February 21, 2007, 04:43:39 AM »

'Tis done.
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« Reply #32 on: February 21, 2007, 05:18:24 AM »

Now that I can read it I have to say that the rating system you have devised is fantastic.
I can see the stories in the figures:
-Master Madness is a quality player with consistant results and the man to beat.
-Pokerface and Master Madness are locked in a serious battle that transcends most games
-Tricky Dicky has stormed onto the scene but is a long way from proving he has what it takes for a prolonged period.
-The Texan should probably look to another sport and probably will.
-The Boss is the resident chump and probably a nice guy to be around.

This cutting edge stuff, Martin.

I see a lot of possibilities for resolution of the never ending bugbear of WRPSS, the WRPSS World Ranking system. I have no idea what form you should try to get.

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« Reply #33 on: February 21, 2007, 11:39:39 AM »

The greater the difference in grading, the more likely it is that the higher-graded player will beat the lower-graded player, all else being equal.

Yeah, but is it ever?  Equal, I mean.  Custardchuk may be a better player than Ruxpin, but what if Australia is playing footie at the time?  Urbanus may be a more renowned athlete than Coach Ha, but what if they are playing on the Coach's home turf at the SW ProAms, and Urbanus has to use a two-prime?  I may be able to whup four Hustlers in a row, but what if I'm still feeling the ill effects of shutting down the bars with custardchuk from the night before?

Still, I agree with custardchuk that this is a step in the right direction as concerns a cohesive ranking system.  At the present time, there is no official ranking system outside of certain promotions, usually limited in scope to a single city (such as the Philly City League or your MetaWealth Championship.)  The current system used by WorldRPS is definitely suspect.  After every International World Championship (IWC,) the new ranks are mentioned:  "Bob Cooper is the top-ranked player in the world"  "The Saint is the top-ranked American player and the second-ranked player in the world."   Nothing against either of these fine gentlemen, but since when does winning a single tournament make one the top ranked player in the world?  Since when does coming in second in a single tournament make one the top ranked player for one's country?  Who's the third ranked player?  Is there a top ten list?  Of what use is a ranking system with room for only two players?  Ranking systems are generally used to set up tournaments, not the other way around.  This bothered me when I was declared the top ranked player in the US (for making a final 8 appearance at the 2003 IWC) and it bothers me still.  Such ranking systems are useful for the players' egos and for the promoter's marketing purposes, but it does little else.

There are a few problems with setting up a RPS ranking system.  First, you don't want to reward players who compete once, win, and retire with a 100% batting average.  Second, you don't want a system where one can gain the top rank just by playing more often than anyone else.  However, both factors need to be taken into consideration.

The American Pool Association uses a ranking system of 1-5 for League Play.  Rank is calculated based on wins and losses, and the skill level of your opponent is taken into consideration.  If the players have an equal rank, then the match is a "first to two" affair.  If the players ranks are unequal, the higher ranked player has to win more games to win the match.

The Sumo ranking system is also interesting.  Rikishi are ranked according to tournament wins and losses, but the highest ranks must have a losing record in two consecutive tournaments before demotion.  It's hard to get to the top, but once you're there, it's harder to move you.

There really isn't much need for a RPS ranking system, other than curiosity and bragging rights.  In truth, when you're actually in a tournament environment, there are only two ranks:  "me" and "everybody else."



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« Reply #34 on: February 21, 2007, 02:44:28 PM »

I like the new Bull Board member grade system:  Based on total number of posts, one is a Legend, Master, Veteran, Regular, or Newbie. 

Currently, the three "Masters" of the Bull Board are Rockefeller, Jef Hallestone and James Hagherty.

The three members with "Legend" status are custardchuk, "Master" Roshambollah and Arbiter.

Roshambollah and custardchuk would be wise to copy Arbiter's stance regarding proper behavior for a Legend.  Legends are like children, gentlemen; they should be neither seen nor heard.  That's what makes them Legends.  Arbiter is more of a Legend than both of you put together, primarily because we haven't heard from him in so long.  If Bigfoot came out and got a haircut, a suit and a job on the six o'clock news, he wouldn't be a Legend anymore.  The sooner you guys stop posting, the sooner we can go on telling the stories about you that make you Legends, without the two of you always interupting at the best parts.
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« Reply #35 on: February 21, 2007, 03:45:35 PM »

Prattling away on the Bullboard makes us legends..............of prattling away on the Bullboard.

However, I hear what you are saying.

There is one further step in becoming a legend in a sport after disappearing and letting others make you into a legend.
That is to get a spot on a  TV programme where it becomes possible to write YOUR OWN story.

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« Reply #36 on: April 02, 2007, 01:42:41 AM »

Here's the latest update for the MetaWealth RPS Championship, after 10 tournaments of Season Three:

Place -     Player      - Points - Tournament Wins
1st - Master Madness   20               5
2nd - Giant-Slayer       12               1
3rd - The Boss            11               2
4th - The Director         5               1
5th - Poker Face           4               1
6th - Wonder Walls        3               0

At the halfway stage, Master Madness is justifying his status as pre-season favourite, and looks odds-on to win the title for an unprecedented third season in a row. That said, it's a closer race this season than last, and the return to form of both Giant-Slayer and The Boss makes for an interesting second half of the season. The Boss in particular has shaken off his Season Two blues and won two out of the last three tournaments. Could this presage a return to the fine form he showed in Season One?

Meanwhile, although not winning a tournament in three weeks isn't usually a cause for concern, the contrast with Master Madness' previous form (winning an astonishing 70% of the previous 20 tournaments) has some observers whispering amongst themselves as to whether this could be the start of a slump. Have the other competitors sussed out his secrets? The second half of Season Three promises to answer some intriguing questions.
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« Reply #37 on: July 24, 2007, 10:07:30 PM »

Drum roll. Camera flashes. Applause. Here are the final results from Season Three of the MetaWealth RPS Championship:

Place -     Player      - Points - Tournament Wins
1st - Master Madness   35               7
2nd - The Boss            25               4
3rd - Giant-Slayer        14               2
4th - Poker Face           4               1
5th - The Director         4               1
6th - Wonder Walls        3               0

While there were fewer participants this time around (purely due to a reduction in staff numbers, not in enthusiasm for RPS), the quality of play was if anything higher than ever, as players learned from their mistakes in earlier seasons, or sought to draw on their previous successes.

And in the end, it was that man again - Master Madness - who came out on top. While his victory was less resounding than the previous season's, he rose to the top of the leaderboard at an early stage and never looked likely to relinquish it. As three-times champion, he retains the trophy, and a new trophy will be up for grabs in Season Four. Over the three seasons, Master Madness won 36% of the weekly tournaments, and over 40% of the Championship Points available - a staggeringly impressive achievement.

In Master Madness's wake, The Boss regained the form he'd been seeking since halfway through Season One, putting a dismal second season behind him and reclaiming a place on the podium. His performances strengthened in the second half of the season, is a good sign for the neutrals amongst the crowd, who hope to see a fiercer challenge mounted against Master Madness's supremacy next season.

Giant-Slayer, meanwhile, performed well yet again (he placed 2nd in Season One, 4th in Season Two, and now 3rd in Season Three), though his performances are frustrating at times with their tantalising hints that he could deliver even more. He will hope to translate the promise he shows into a strong challenge in Season Four. The other competitors had mediocre seasons this time, and are likely to rethink their strategies over the winter break.

Our thanks go out to all the competitors, spectators, and online followers of the MetaWealth RPS Championships. Though Season Three has finished, you can look forward to more high-octane action and high-level play when Season Four rolls around!
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