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« on: May 10, 2006, 07:57:35 PM »

Does rps players really hire an rps coach? How do they train you, and how do I hire myself one?
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« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2006, 09:49:15 PM »

Wayne, RPS coaches can be hard to find. This is due to simple supply and demand - with the rising popularity of RPS, many coaches are already training players full-time. Also, players may not always be inclined to tell you who is currently coaching them. But don't be disheartened - remember the saying, "When the student is ready, the teacher appears."

One good place to meet coaches is at RPS tournaments. It's also true that coaches looking for new students may go to tournaments and hope to use their eye for talent to spot youngsters with potential. Otherwise, ask around and stay open to possibilities. Remember, too, the saying, "Everyone is a teacher." You may learn useful RPS lessons from all areas of life.

A word of warning, though. Watch out for coaches who talk themselves up, claiming to be experts and always bragging about their own successes - though some legitimate coaches certainly have big egos, this is also the technique that con artists use. Also avoid coaches with little real-life competitive experience. It's important to understand the techniques and strategy of the game, but a coach who can also share insights on how to cope with tournament pressures can take your game to an even higher level.
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« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2006, 07:42:36 PM »

I would luv to have an RPS coach... lol

wonder how muich they could help, and how much they cost...
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« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2006, 12:32:00 AM »

Wayne, a solid RPS trainer is an invaluable asset in discovering one's true self as an RPS player.

The trainer may take many forms, from a pure trainer to a manager, publicist, physical therapist, guru, holistic navigator, teacher, or the traditional Master/apprentice relationship.

The cost of such a trainer is commensurate with his or her experience.  A "local legend" RPS player may typically be hired in the US for little more than $20 an hour.  Personally, I charge around $200 an hour, with an initial consultation fee of $100 (a veteran player such as C. Urbanus charges only a little less.)  My most promising students are offered a management contract, where I waive their training fees for a set percentage of their career earnings (usually around 30%, depending on the athlete's ability.)

I also conduct training sessions for $1000 an hour, for up to 10 students.  This is a great deal, as students pay half of the usual rate for similar training.  It is not as individualized as one-on-one training, but seminar attendees recieve valuable guidance nonetheless, as well as advice for future advancement.  Any local coordinator who can set up such a training session (usually at a college, university or high school) recieves 10% of my fee as an incentive.  Let Roshambollah Learning Systems (tm) work for you.  The only way you can lose is to not sign up for one of my sessions.  As a prospective Superstar RPS Athlete, the responsibility for choosing an effective trainer is in your hands.  Make the right choice, and learn the true value of studying under a renowned RPS Master.  The future of the sport is in your hands.
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« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2006, 06:01:14 AM »

Another thing to consider is that you can get professional one on one training with masters on most nights, if you know where to find them.
C.Urbanus and I handed out a few lessons in Philly over the last few days and I will be heading to DC today to double team with Rosh tonight around Connetticut Avenue.

How much do these lessons cost?

That depends on how much you have in your pocket and how quickly you learn. There are some who see dropping $500 to play 10 rounds one on one with Rosh and, then myself, as good value. In addition, you can expect  whoever of us is not playing to provide you a comprehensive live critique on where you are going wrong.

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« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2006, 10:53:48 AM »

well, im shocked at how costly a trainer is...
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« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2006, 12:20:02 PM »

Wayne,

Any player who wants to win would not bat an eye at this prices, but most do so that is why 99.8% of competitors at tournaments end up as losers.

Good training is an investment that you will keep your whole life and once you get a few Championships under your belt you can sell your services too...and that my friend is the best advice you will ever get .I got it from Master Rosh's Pamphlet called 'Playing to 'Win' (notice the quotes around 'win'...this mini-guide is all about how to make money at RPS by whoring your services which is something that Rosh has been training for his whole career. At $150.00 (cash only) it is a bargain since I was able to make $450 in my first weekend using the tips.

Also, this old post is a great introduction to coaching in RPS, have you seen it?http://www.worldrps.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=49&Itemid=37
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« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2006, 07:31:01 PM »

When I read what a professional RPS trainer costs, I was pretty taken aback at first.  It sounded kind of exorbitant to me.  Then I thought about other professionals, such as doctors, lawyers, musicians, and other highly skilled athletes, and it sounds reasonable that the best athletes and trainers would charge high prices.  I'm glad that the professional RPS trainers who hang around the worldrps site are willing to give free advice, and I'm also glad that many top RPS athletes are willing to play all comers in online games.

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My most promising students are offered a management contract, where I waive their training fees for a set percentage of their career earnings (usually around 30%, depending on the athlete's ability.)


I would be very wary of signing myself over to anyone.  While 30% sounds a lot more fair than what most actors, musicians, and artists usually earn, I personally don't want anyone to "own" me, or a percentage of me.  This is probably a great deal for some people though.  

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Good training is an investment that you will keep your whole life and once you get a few Championships under your belt you can sell your services too...and that my friend is the best advice you will ever get .I got it from Master Rosh's Pamphlet called 'Playing to 'Win' (notice the quotes around 'win'...this mini-guide is all about how to make money at RPS by whoring your services which is something that Rosh has been training for his whole career. At $150.00 (cash only) it is a bargain since I was able to make $450 in my first weekend using the tips.


I've read on this board many times that RPS is the basis for martial arts.  There are countless "strip mall dojos" across the country where a student can progress to high-level belt status in months, and sensei status in a year or two.  These students can then turn around and open their own dojos, in the same pyramid scheme way that Jef and Rosh are talking about.  This doesn't mean that "strip mall senseis" really know a single thing about martial arts.  Someone who attends Rosh's seminar a couple times may think they know the secrets of the masters, but Rosh, Jef, and other trainers will almost assuredly never impart more than a fraction of their true knowledge to anyone.  Most senseis are glad to show the basics of martial arts (or RPS) to anyone, but rare is the student who is lucky enough to learn the true and hidden techniques that the sensei possesses.  If the master sensei has spent an entire lifetime learning an art, than it would be impossible to impart the depth of knowledge the sensei has attained, unless both the master and student were allowed alternate lifetimes only for training together.  

I think it was Rosh who said or quoted the statement that a student can never hope to surpass the master; to become an equal with the master would be the highest honor.  I personally believe that students can hope to become greater than their masters, and I've heard the saying "If I have seen further than others, it's because I have stood on the shoulders of giants."  If students never progressed further than their masters, than wouldn't we live in constant stagnation at the very best?  I believe that the ultimate compliment masters can receive would be for students to surpass them, as it shows true dedication to their teachings, as well as the ability to not repeat their masters' mistakes.  The master level is also acheivement far above the ordinary.  A master of one discipline is not necessarily even an expert at another, so training in many different styles can come in handy.  

I guess what I'm trying to say is choose your RPS trainer carefully.  Why waste time learning lesser techniques from pseudo-masters, unless that is the only option you have.  If a master wants to charge a huge amount for lessons, then it could of course be a sign of greed, or it could be a way to find out how dedicated a student really is.  In the same way, a master who charges nothing could be the most brilliant RPS trainer on the planet. Having a little intuition and common sense always comes in handy when choosing a trainer (for RPS or anything else), and keeping an open mind definitely helps.  For all the "RPS whores;" in the song Changes by Tupac, a rock dealer tells Tupac, "I made a G today," and Tupac says, "But you made it in a sleazy way."
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« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2006, 10:41:48 AM »

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If I have seen further than others, it's because I have stood on the shoulders of giants." If students never progressed further than their masters, than wouldn't we live in constant stagnation at the very best? I believe that the ultimate compliment masters can receive would be for students to surpass them,


Yeeesss. After we are dead do what you like. Don't even worry about the compliments.

Until then, as you learn from us, we learn from you. If we know more than you and then you learn more but we learn more too then ......ahh, forget it? Who's training you? "Two Bob Rob"," Frankie the Flapper"?

Look, Cohrs, you are a nice kid, but quit with the standing on the shoulders of giants and the ultimate compliment to Masters and get with the program. It's a tough game and the masters are the toughest. They'll take compliments all year but they won't respect you, and it's no skin off their nose if you live in constant stagnation.
They don't. They live in constant expensive hotels funded by their complimentary students.

Quit with the philisophical crap and learn to play the game. And when you are good enough, if ever, don't fawn around waiting for the master to hand off the baton and the keys to the Porshe. Walk up and take them off him or her.
Then we'll talk about ascension.

I'm giving you this one for free. It's my good deed for the year.

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« Reply #9 on: August 01, 2006, 02:17:42 PM »

Chuk,
    I'm not that into fast cars, expensive cars, and random hotel bars.  Some games aren't worth playing.  I play RPS for fun and honor, but if I pick your pocket and win your woman while I'm at it, than that's cool with me too.  I'm not sitting in bars looking for easy targets to support a habit though.  When I find competition, I'm always glad to play the game.
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« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2006, 10:49:11 PM »

I wanted to reply to the last comment I made here, because it's been bothering me.  If I become good enough someday, then maybe I would be into fast cars etc..  Right now, I don't miss the things that I've never had.   I would also love to compete in a real tournament, but I'm frustrated that it might be a long while before I have the means to do so.  I play at home with friends and online when I can, but from my glimpse of the tournament scene, there's a lot more to the game than that.  Talking a good game doesn't mean playing a good game, so I understand Chuk's comments about getting some experience under my belt.  Sorry if I offended anyone.
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« Reply #11 on: August 06, 2006, 05:06:30 AM »

Cohrs,

No offense taken from my seat.

Occasionally we have to be cruel to be kind. I usually reserve the hard lessons for the ones who may benefit most.
I am pleased that you, on reflection, retracted the 'fast cars and random hotel bars' comment, and I am overjoyed that you justified, to all of us , the reasons for the retraction.

I was spurred by a simple statement.
"The only people who happily reminicsce about how much fun it was to be poor are the rich."

Do I prefer random hotel bars and fast cars to the airport bus and a park bench?

Cohrs, if you want to play tournament RPS bad enough, then you will play tournament RPS.
If you are any good then the other stuff will come.
In my case, I never saw the other stuff come because all I wanted was to play, but that said, i notice it when it's not there.

Oh, and don't be afraid to offend anyone. The good guys aren't.

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« Reply #12 on: August 06, 2006, 11:33:57 AM »

R, Cohrs, this is the beginning of understanding.  If you truly knew the kindness that Custardchuk shows you by imparting his harsh words, you would tattoo them on your forearm.

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I think it was Rosh who said or quoted the statement that a student can never hope to surpass the master; to become an equal with the master would be the highest honor.


Actually, it was not, and I'm not sure I agree with this sentiment.  Being a Master of RPS, I have had many students.  Not all of them have a real aptitude for the sport, and fewer still "hear the call."  The students of whom I am most proud include such greats as Victor "Evil Eye" Richards, Awesomer Thanu, and Fattyus Maximus.  The process of educating a gifted student is challenging, yet rewarding beyond compare.  Having experienced the process firsthand many times, it is not a simple matter of progression, the student steadily becoming better and better along a linear scale.  To me, it is as if my teachings are only a means to get the student on his or her own path, much as Buddhism can be considered "a finger pointing at the moon."  A good RPS Master will show you the paths, but not the goal.  Many times, my students have entirely different paths to wander, ones on which I never trod!  In my training, I seek to bring a player "up to speed" via a series of physical, mental, and spiritual exercises.  Along the way they learn strategy and tactics, and I also administer a series of "shocks" (not in the electrical sense, but in the sense of unexpected initiatory experiences) to synergize the process.  In short, I have brought my brightest and best students to a place where they can then explore their own destiny in the sport, much as a black belt in the martial arts is to be considered the beginning of true knowledge, not the end.  At this point, the student is taught by the Sport itself, and has no further need of my training.  

"The master level is also acheivement far above the ordinary."

This could not be more true.  True Mastery of RPS means much more than the ability to win matches.  Stewardship of the sport is also implied.  There are many RPS Masters who do not publicly claim the title; even more are there so-called Masters who have yet to take the first step of Mastery!

"Why waste time learning lesser techniques from pseudo-masters, unless that is the only option you have.  If a master wants to charge a huge amount for lessons, then it could of course be a sign of greed, or it could be a way to find out how dedicated a student really is."

I am reminded of a story told by the notorious 20th century mystic/writer/mountain climber/chess savant/occultist/drug addict/RPS guru Aleister Crowley:

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      Teach us Your secret, Master! yap my Yahoos.
      Then for the hardness of their hearts, and
         for the softness of their Heads, I taught
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      Teach us your real secret, Master! how to become
         invisible, how to acquire love, and oh! beyond
         all, how to make gold.
      But how much gold will you give me for the
         Secret of Infinite Riches?
      Then said the foremost and most foolish: Master, it
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      This did I deign to accept, and whispered in his
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      A SUCKER IS BORN EVERY MINUTE.

                -from The Book of Lies


Crowley's commentary on Mastery is so succint that I will let it pass without comment.

"I'm not that into fast cars, expensive cars, and random hotel bars." - R. Cohrs

I will disagree with Custardchuk here, and confirm that random hotel bars do not, as a rule, tend to advance one in the ways of RPS.  However, wandering into specific hotel bars can pay for one's RPS tuition many times over.  I have personally had great success at hotel bars owned by the Kimpton Group .  In particular, Washington DC's Topaz was the first of the area's RPS "hotspots."  The bar was presided over by none other than Jerry "Snaggletooth" Glaab, aka "The Hawaiian Island Hopper," who competed at the SW ProAms the last three years, earning a top 8 spot in 2004.  In later years, the Kimpton-owned Helix came into its own.  There was a time where I could walk in any Sunday night and find as many $20 matches as I wanted.  One night, I made $80 in five matches, losing none and tying one, against a guy I called "The Whale".  He was a RPS Hustler's dream:  made of money, a compulsive gambler, and really bad at RPS.  No listing of hotel bars would be complete, however, without mention of the Courtyard Marriott Downtown lounge in Toronto.  This historic bar was the location of the first-ever Outreach Conference in 2002.  To this day, there is a plaque at the bar signifying the location where Urbanus and I met and discussed Outreach over beer, bar snacks, and women's kickboxing.

"I play at home with friends and online when I can, but from my glimpse of the tournament scene, there's a lot more to the game than that."

You are correct.  At the DC Nationals afterparty last year, C. Urbanus noted to wily newcomer "Money" Mark Pilotti "This is where it really is.  You go to the main tournament to try to get into this one."  Again, there is so much more to attending a RPS tournament than playing RPS itself.  The rewards I have experienced in this arena are so substantial, I have prospered more from them than from playing the sport itself.  More about this matter I can not say, but I hope you will, in the not too distant future, take up the mantle of Journeyman and travel to Toronto or another fine city holding an Open RPS tournament.  We'll be waiting for you.
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« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2008, 11:58:33 AM »

Becoming an apprentice is free though. And what exactly is the difference between a trainer and a coach?
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« Reply #14 on: April 27, 2008, 10:00:49 PM »

How much things change in just a couple years...
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