RPS Ladder Tournament!

[martinburley]

As for cheating:

First and foremost, I doubt there are many, if any, players on the Bull Board who would risk tarnishing their reputation to cheat in an 'online fantasy RPS' tournament.

However, let me draw players' attention to the ladder tournament rules, specifically:

(Players may wish to save their rpsgame.com emails in case of dispute.)

Let me say loud and clear: If you are concerned that your opponent may cheat by lying about the match result, then keep your rpsgame emails. Just like if you buy a product, you should keep the receipt if you think there's any chance you might want to get a refund. Player beware!

In the event of two players disagreeing with each other's accounts of the match, the following procedure applies:

1. Both players send me a full list of the throws, according to them, along with the rpsgame game id for each throw, e.g.

101123 custardchuk R - R martinburley
101345 custardchuk S - S martinburley
etc.

2. If this doesn't resolve the issue (i.e. players didn't just lose track or misrecord their throws), then both players forward to me their rpsgame emails corresponding to the throw or throws in question. They may also be asked to forward the emails for later throws if that will help to resolve the matter.

(Now, Rosh, you might object that it's easy to fake such emails. However, let me tell you, the WRPSS Strategic Forces Department has in its employ several 'white hat' computer geeks who are adept at using email headers, full body content, encryption codes and the like to determine whether or not the email is really from rpsgame and whether or not the email has been altered.)

3. If one or other of the players is found to have cheated, he or she will be penalised. Penalties may range from loss of point, to loss of match, to demotion on ladder, to being banned from the ladder, depending on the nature and severity of the cheating. Penalties will be decided by the Strategic Forces Department.

If, however, after the above steps have been followed, it is impossible to determine who cheated/lied, then the WRPSS Strategic Forces Department will decide whether (a) the match will be replayed, (b) the match will be cancelled, or (c) both players will be penalised.

[Master Roshambollah]

Cool.

How about retirement?

[martinburley]

Yes, retired RPS players are allowed to compete in this ladder, if they wish, even the pedantic, nitpicking, troublesome ones.

And as the WRPSS Retired Veterans Committee has recently issued a statement proclaiming all forms of online RPS to be "fantasy RPS at best, not real RPS like we played back in the good ol' days," retired RPS players are free to compete in this ladder without it affecting their membership of the Retired Veterans Committee, or their WRPSSRVC pension schemes.

[Master Roshambollah]

No, no, no...

Can a player choose to leave the ladder league and have his or her name removed from the list?  How does one go about doing this?  Is a post in this forum sufficient, and if so, is the retirement considered to take place instantaneously with the post?

[srn347]

Why do you wish to resign? I ask what you once asked, what keeps you into the sport of rps?

[Master Roshambollah]

Why do you wish to resign? I ask what you once asked, what keeps you into the sport of rps?

Don't confuse RPS with online fantasy rps. 

You incorrectly assume that I wish to resign.  Rather, it is safe to assume that I'm looking for potential strategic leverage in the metagame aspects of online fantasy rps.  You'll probably understand this better when you have real tournament experience (as Graham Walker, Director of Management for the World RPS Society always says, "you have to be there."  If he doesn't know, no one does.)

What keeps me in the sport?  Inertia.  When in motion, I tend to stay in motion, unless acted upon by an outside force.

Plus, mainly, I like the conversation and friendship of custardchuk, Urbanus, the Walkers, Cohrs, Sista, GeirArne etc, etc (even, grudingly, Martin Burley.)  I see these RPS pros several times a year in cities as diverse as San Fran, Philadelphia, Toronto and Brisbane.  To me, this is what the sport is really all about.

Also, a sense of curiosity keeps me interested in following the sport and continuing to direct its development. 

In addition, I enjoy playing the game immensely.  Establishing an edge in a game where edge is so hard to maintain is very challenging, but it has been greatly rewarding.

[Franklint]

Plus, mainly, I like the conversation and friendship of custardchuk, Urbanus, the Walkers, Cohrs, Sista, GeirArne etc, etc (even, grudingly, Martin Burley.)  I see these RPS pros several times a year in cities as diverse as San Fran, Philadelphia, Toronto and Brisbane.  To me, this is what the sport is really all about.

Kind of on this note, I hear around the traps that Rosh really, really, REALLY enjoys watching his students advance and reach greater heights, as well as passing on some of his knowledge to said students. Not so much knowledge that they can beat him, mind.

That's all. Just thought I'd point it out.

Cheers,
Franklint

[martinburley]

Can a player choose to leave the ladder league and have his or her name removed from the list?  How does one go about doing this?  Is a post in this forum sufficient, and if so, is the retirement considered to take place instantaneously with the post?

Yes, a player can choose to leave the ladder league. A post in this forum is sufficient. The retirement is considered to take place instantaneously with the post, should the precise timing matter (e.g. if 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th are Bob, Cob, Dob and Fob, and Cob announces his retirement, and an hour later Dob wins his match against Fob, Dob rises to 3rd place, since Cob retired before Dob's match was finished, whereas if the match finished an hour before Cob's retirement, Dob would only be in 4th place), though the retirement only becomes official once the ladder has been updated.

[R Cohrs]

Just finished playing against chuk and Urbanus.  While I started off rough with chuk, down 0-2 after 2 throws, thanks to his encouragement of "stop chasing me around" and "your W-L record is awful," I was able to finish the match 4-2 for the win.  I used a strategy of alternating R and S for most of this match, which seemed to pay off. 

I started off strong against Urbanus, up 3-0, but had a minor setback with a loss and series of ties.  However, I was able to finish the match 4-1 for the win.  I was able to use rock and scissors almost exclusively for a while in the match against Urbanus, before finally pulling out a paper that he had been suspecting but still went through.  The last half of the Urbanus match was tricky, and a couple more papers only seemed to cost me ground, before winning with S.  Urbanus tactics of calling for throws shook me during the match and took down my rhythm a bit, but I was able to counter this with a little luck and some intuition. 

I believe that chuk had challenged me previously, so if I'm correct, there's no time for a break before the rematch.

[martinburley]

Two very impressive results there, Cohrs, moving you up into 2nd place in the ladder (now updated).

You're correct that custardchuk's challenge against you is now live, so he can send the first throw to you now. He might choose to wait a day or so while he rethinks his strategy, but he has to send the first throw within the next 7 days, so that only gives him time for minor tinkering rather than a root-and-branch overhaul.

Also, I challenge you. My challenge is postponed till custardchuk's challenge against you finishes. I'm pretty sure you'll beat chuk again, which could lift you into 1st place in the ladder, so I want first shot at you after that.

[Franklint]

I'm still waiting on the next throw from Max.

Currently, here's the throw record:
Franklint R vs S Max
Franklint P vs R Max
Franklint P vs P Max
Franklint S vs R Max
Franklint R vs R Max
Franklint S vs P Max

As you can see, I'm up 3-1. I don't know whether to wait for Max (I notice he hasn't been posting much in the very recent future either), or send the next throw, despite it being his turn to do so. What do you guys think?

Cheers,
Franklint

[Maxamillion]

Hi Franklint,

I sent my next throw on the 20th April game no 138634.
I suppose this is one of your 'stratagies' to get me to tell you my throw so you could cut me down & wrap up the game Eh!!

Sorry about not getting posts in lately been up to my neck in Bull   .

May have been empathy for way you lot welcome newbies as well as shock at rummer retired rosh retiring from  ladder & online RPS causing breakdown in psychic messages.

Hopefully i will be back on track now with that throw

Take care with yours

Max

[Maxamillion]

Hi martin,

re - rules on making challenges.

can only make one challenge at time.

I am still playing franklint so i do not have any outstanding challenges because the game is in progress.

Therfore can i challenge rosh now.

If that is ok Rosh I challenge you to teach me how to win my next game. is that OK?

cheers
Max

[Franklint]

Hi Max,

Oops, pretty hasty of me to assume that you were doing a no-show simply because I hadn't seen you posting and hadn't received your most recent throw. My apologies.

Hmm. The rpsgame.com server doesn't seem particularly reliable. I remember I sent a throw to R Cohrs during our match, and it merely didn't get it through to his end. Ah well. I didn't get this throw that you delivered.

I suggest we wait a couple of days and you try again, or I just send one through to you. Alternatively, I can register a second username and we can use that at times like this when the site doesn't complete the sending. Your call.

Also, you underestimate me. You see, I already know exactly what you have thrown. I need not try to squeeze a hint out of you. Being 2 up in this match, I may choose to use a bit of psychological conditioning and lose to make you think you have the upper hand. Alternatively, I may well switch to the Hagi Naktrah from here on in. In both of those instances, I knew what was coming. I've got you right where I want you .

Cheers,
Franklint

[Master Roshambollah]

Max, I accept your challenge, since Martin's tournament structure doesn't give me any choice not to (this is a good thing.)

As you are indeed one of my my sole apprentice, you are right to request training in winning a match, clearly the most valuable skill an RPS player can have.  I think the simulated nature of online fantasy rps won't detract too much from this lesson.

I can teach you, easily and quickly, how to win your next match, the one against me.  Most players like to start from the beginning of a match and work out the ending; I like to start with a won match and work my way backwards.

You can win any match of RPS (as you will win your match against me) once you realize you have already won.