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« on: April 11, 2009, 04:24:16 AM »

I tell you what, being a polymath is hard work.

Not only do we have to consistently apply ourselves, constantly improving our skill and knowledge in our different areas of expertise, but we have to go through severe emotional trauma stemming from neglect of one forté to focus on another, slow progress due to the high demand on our intellect and the requirement to share our passions with others to further advance civilisation.

Now, we all know that RPS rakes in the chicks by the truckload. I have now invented a strategy that should, hopefully, show this to the world. A distinct similarity between some of the pioneers of seduction theory and some of the pioneers of RPS strategy adds merit to this topic.

Forging or discovering links between subjects is a great experience for any Homo Universalis, and this post documents one of these occasions. Some of you may know that one of my other areas of interest that is also a potential career path is that of seduction theory. This incredibly intriguing and life-enhancing area is far too broad to compress into a single post, but most schools of thought (my favourite being the Mystery Method) mainly focus on the principle of the alpha male, and females' hard-wired responses to males displaying a number of alpha male characteristics. Note that, while women are considerably objectified and generalised in the seduction community, the same evolutionary psychology core affects us guys in a similar way, and a skilled female seductionist is just as able to seduce all but a few males, albeit in much simpler ways (go to the gym, get a boob job, wear make-up and dress sexy Grin).

Many Mystery Method techniques, which have become more a part of the field as a whole rather than being specific to their own school, work under the same basic framework for a typical pickup. Essentially, it is split up into three distinct areas, those of, in order, Attraction, Comfort and Seduction. Each of these levels is further split up into three new phases, which are, in a very superficial way, A1 - Opening, A2 - Female-to-male attraction, A3 - Male-to-female attraction, C1 - Connection, C2 - Trust, C3 - Intimacy, S1 - Arousal, S2 - Last-minute resistance and S3 - Sex. Each of these nine levels is actually far more complex and fluid than this, but it will do for now.

This incredibly brief overview of the Venusian arts is important to understand in some simple way, however far you choose to immerse yourself from here on in. The best way to really make a name for yourself in seduction, and in most other areas, is to come up with a new and revolutionary idea or technique, and attach your name to it. You should all know what I mean, with perfect RPS examples being the Urbanus Defence, The Cohrs Effect and the Roshambollah Trap. Also the... Franklint... Phenomenon... Yeah.

Anyway. One of my own seduction theories that has not been properly explored, to my knowledge, thus far, is that, much like acting, any skill you possess will be useful in-field (anywhere a pickup artist is actively utilising his/her skills), both as a form of DHV (Demonstration of Higher Value. This is one of the most generally-accepted seduction theories, centreing around males' and females' Survival and Replication values; a male pursues females with high Replication value, or strong genes to ensure the continuation of their bloodline, while females pursue males mainly for their Survival value, or their ability to protect the female and her offspring. Most male pickup artists attempt to display that they have high Survival value, as a woman will automatically respond to this) and for the increased bubble of knowledge at your disposal. It is important for a skilled (male) pickup artist to have a vast array of abilities that he is able to call upon at any given point in-field. He must be a true Renaissance Man, something I strive to achieve in everyday life. Rock Paper Scissors is no exception to this rule. As evidence of how skill-building can improve your game (I think I just thought of my thread title on the pickup boards), I would like to reveal a few ideas I have been working on, as it is obvious that the field of RPS has gone un-exploited for too long in the context of seduction, and it is an as yet untapped medium to attract a woman. Please contribute, as I would appreciate input from other people to create both a set of distinct RPS-related attraction routines, and also to help pinpoint how exactly best to use the sport in the field of seduction. Hopefully each discipline can help the other. The RPS community will certainly be credited for any additions they provide.

Firstly, the RPS opener (topic used to initiate conversation) or routine (pickup spiel engineered specifically to build attraction, comfort or to aid in the seduction):
Open the entire set (group of people) with "Do you guys know how to play Rock Paper Scissors? I've got to get back to my friends in a minute (false time constraint, to stop the group from thinking "when is he going to leave?"), but I just need to try something out really quick".
After the set responds in the affirmative, single out one of the females (if you are a homosexual pickup artist, and your set consists of only guys, substitute Paper for Rock in the following description). Preferably this is not the target (the woman a pickup artist is attempting to seduce), but it may have to be if there are no other girls. Point to your chosen girl and say "Okay, you. Let's play. And if you're really lucky, I'll even tell you how I beat you". Deliver an initial throw of Rock, in an attempt to counter the common female Scissors opening.

If you get a win (insta-DHV), quickly drop the line "Yep, thought so", then roll off (turn your back on the set, pretending to lose interest and move back to your own group. This also helps by firing one of the female attraction switches) almost straight away. By this point you have built intrigue to an almost fever pitch, and if you have used the right banter to this point, chances are good that the set or a member of it will re-open you in an attempt to find out how you knew what she was going to throw.

Unless you are very confident of your skill, it would be wise to tell them that your brain is tired out from all that psychic activity if any of them attempt to play further games with you. After building the attraction enough, you should then be free to reveal that, in fact, 70% of females open with Scissors, and this can merge into a lengthy discussion of RPS strategy. As it is a 100% verifiable and accurate fact that RPS is not a game of luck, there is no plausible way for you to get beaten in an argument, and your knowledge of the subtleties of meta-game should help to increase your value and interest factors. Consider encouraging the set (or the target, if you have successfully transitioned into comfort and have moved the target to a new location) to try out some basic amateur strategies on those around them/her, and share in their/her glee when they work.

If, however, you happen to lose (although this is quite unlikely), never fear. It is still possible to turn the situation to your advantage, despite your rather unfortunate DLV (Demonstration of Lower Value). One good technique is to transition, seamlessly, into a second throw, after acknowledging her win, and wait expectantly if the girl you are playing doesn't comply. When she protests or questions why you are playing again, pull the Rounder's Ploy, claiming that "everyone always plays best-of-threes". While this is rather frowned upon in the RPS community, rules, even unspoken ones, are meant to be broken. This will give you a second chance to win. Use your regular amateur tactics, and remember that chumps tend to stick with a throw if it's won for them thus far. If you then win the best-of-three, jump up to the "If you get a win" section. If not, and it is not possible to save the game using any other tricky strategies (don't use too many "dodge the loss" gimmicks, or you'll come across as desperate and a cheater, lowering your value), look bewildered and turn your loss into an IOI (Indicator Of Interest) of your own, with a comment like "you're unpredictable... I like that. I would never have thought you'd come out with a <her winning throw> in that situation", or "you have unpredictable friends... I like that" if it's the obstacle. While I'm not going to spell it out for you, it should be relatively easy to merge forward into a strategic discussion, where you can reveal your knowledge of the area, hopefully compensating for your lost value.

Secondly, the RPS kiss-close (ending the interaction with a kiss, preferably on the lips): After building enough attraction and receiving three IOIs (the indicative number that a girl is ready for a kiss), whether or not you have used the opener previously, say to her "Alright, let's play Rock Paper Scissors. If you win, you get to kiss me. Only one, mind (it is important to make yourself the prize, so she is working hard to prove herself to you, rather than the other way around)". If she asks what happens if she loses, tell her "no kiss for you, obviously". As long as she agrees to the game, she is comfortable with the idea of a kiss.

Attempt to lose to her. If you succeed, say "I'm still not sure, but I suppose you won it fair and square". From this point on, feel free to relax into the kiss and make it sensual, rather than continuing to pretend that you're not enjoying it.

If you happen to win the match, commiserate her bad luck, but make sure not to give her another chance to beat you, as this will seem needy and could potentially make her lose attraction. If you've reached this point, the kiss should come naturally later, and you can throw in a comment like "now you've got me curious as to what it would be like to kiss you", before merging into a different kiss-close routine, such as Mystery's Kiss-close.

Even if straying from these canned routines, RPS as a vehicle for seduction can prove to be very useful, as, with such simple (or non-existant) preparation, it can easily be thrown (excuse the pun) into a conversation. Make sure not to come off as extremely nerdy, but don't be too dispassionate either. I generally find that the concept of professional refereeing can be interesting, but it is easy to stray to far into the "too nerdy" side, so be careful.

I have, as of yet, had no chance to try these out in the field, and it is unlikely that I will be able to perform particularly reliable tests for a good while. This is because of my legal inability to get into the most common pickup locations (i.e. bars and clubs) and my lack of skill in a practical sense. It is highly likely that I would blow the set due to my own errors, rather than because of a flaw in the routines. As a Renaissance Man, I like to develop a strong theoretical knowledge in each area, with the practical proficiency coming later down the path. So don't ask me to put on a show and pick up some females for you. I would love it if some of you used my extended opener in the field and provided feedback on what did and didn't work for you, or even the kiss-close if you are good seducers. I plan to post this also on the Venusian Arts forum, where I hope to read field reports (write-ups of pickups and pickup sessions) featuring my strategies.

So there we have it: Some new additions to the "canned routines" section of seduction, linking in with The Grand Sport of Rock Paper Scissors. Again, I would welcome any thoughts, regardless of your knowledge of contemporary seduction theory. Who knows, we may find the next great seductionist amongst you, with my RPS routines being the gateway into this world of opportunity.

Throw well, all.

Cheers,
Franklint

P.S. A disclaimer: Most people think of pickup artists as being real sleazebags. In fact, this is rarely the case, and the vast majority of the community (myself excluded) are simple, socially inept nerds who decide to improve their love life. Yet others (including me), while being perfectly competent socially, feel the will to have lots of beautiful women in their life, mostly due to a lack of dashing looks and lack of excellence in an inferior sport such as soccer. I truly love women. The field of pickup is actually one of the most life-improving skills ever, as it often encourages participants to take improvisation classes, go to the gym, learn a martial art, etc. There are many womanizers out there, but most aren't true seductionists.

P.P.S. Wow, 2,222 words. I wish I could write this easily about Australia's legal system, homework would be a breeze.
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« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2009, 12:05:58 AM »

Update: I have added in the kiss-close, which has become the new paragraph 12, because I knew I'd forgotten something. Have a gander if you've already read the post.

Also, because I don't want to wreck the rather flukey word count of 2,222, I should point out in this post that the term "Venusian arts", invented by one of the most famous pickup artists, Mystery, comes from Venus, the goddess of love.

Also, the Venusian Arts (Mystery's company) threads for the routines are here: http://www.venusianarts.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19190 and here: http://www.venusianarts.com/forum/showthread.php?p=135657.

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« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2009, 09:19:02 PM »

This is the most significant RPS strategy post in recent memory, and until my groundbreaking work on "Pattern Breaking," coming soon.

I will comment on this earth-shattering post when I am able.  Until then, if you haven't already, I urge that you read it again.
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« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2009, 04:38:45 PM »

"Read" it again?

I've been using it every night since Franklint put it up.

I really need some sleep...........
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« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2009, 09:29:38 AM »

Hey I was wondering if you can keep a medium sulcata and an adult uromastyx together. I have 6 by 6 area build for the tortoise, but since the place is huge for the relatively small tortoise, i was wondering they can inhibit together. Diet and heating are relatively similar, but I understand that my uro needs more heat. With the sufficient space provided, would aggression really be a problem?
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« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2009, 07:19:07 PM »

If there is an award for the most brilliantly irrelevant question ever, that is definitely in contention.
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« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2009, 11:56:12 AM »

Too true, martinburley. That post doesn't even seem to be explicitly advertising anything (despite the name "MagicOPromotion"), which rules out spambot. Maybe a terrible error on the poster's part, that had them go to an incorrect site, sign up, navigate to an incorrect thread and post a response to something unrelated to RPS? Or, it's martinburley trying to manufacture more credentials and meaningless virtual awards for the end of his name.

As for this thread, I'm glad to see custardchuk has embraced my advice and is using it for his benefit. I'm not surprised you're utilising it with such absolute power so soon after discovering it, as your RPS psychology probably helps in this regard. Just remember the age-old pickup artist motto "leave her better than you found her" and you'll be fine.
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« Reply #7 on: May 28, 2009, 05:29:26 PM »

MagicO

It depends on the sex of the tortoises. Sulcata are particularly aggressive with other males during mating season.

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